Who is peb jackson

Little sparks. When I was a kid, when I was running a tractor before I was 13 on a field all day long. Sometimes there'd be a little rabbits, little bunnies that would be running and I would tie that driving wheel down and jump off timing it so they wouldn't get pulled under the plow.

Think about that, and then get the rabbit and jump back on. I just remember this, something about that, even though it was risky, that just fueled me.

There was a little bit of fear. My climbing partner used to call me up and say, pebble, let's go get scared.

And so when you have that, you're starting to get fueled by those stories and by that idea then you have to feed the beast. I mean essentially you want to go out there not to get scared necessarily and not to risk your life on things, but you wanted to be in that world, in that atmosphere, which enhances your feeling about life, enhances your love of life. So I always felt like in a lot of reading I did of mountaineers and adventurers, is that what happened to them?

Just being there, fueled them right up over the top. Who said that quote? PEB: And that's a correct quote. I can't remember who it was. Or when I run, I feel his presence. PEB: And all those things. Yeah, I remember I did the Leadville bicycle ride one time and Carl Yarbrough did it like two hours faster than I did it. And when he finished, he said he had absolutely, totally nothing left. And that's kind of the way I felt.

And I thought, man, those are the kinds of people I want to be around. Somebody who knows how to totally empty themselves. And I was around people like that, not from a risk perspective or even adventure, but knew my father and other people who basically in reference to their faith, emptied themselves.

You know, they were missionaries or they lived a life of giving, and it was so attractive. My dad lived a life that was so attractive that I wanted to be like him.

I wanted his faith. I wanted to have what he had. I was fortunate. A lot of guys, and a lot of girls don't have it, have that kind of a background. What keeps people afraid? And you know, the conundrum is that a lot of people lose their lives doing that. And so I, I haven't really sat down with a therapist and figured this out. I do think that for some reason a lot of guys, a lot of people are attracted to it. I mean, you know, that the Into Thin Air story, where seven people were killed.

After those people were killed, it was front page news and applications for climbing went up like two or three times. So even though people are killed there is something magnificent about that. And even in scripture, I mean, Jesus went into the wilderness. There's something about the wilderness that he went into.

I'd like to ask him about that. What was it, and why there, what does the wilderness actually mean? But I don't feel it's antithetical to a life of deep faith. It enhances life and enhances my faith. And that's why I wrote this book. Hardly any books I may have, and I perhaps have books on risk, on performance, on exploration, and hardly any of them mentioned God at all or faith.

But I know a lot of them, they have something that happened to them that leads them into the throne room of the heavenly father. But for some reason they just, publishers just haven't done that.

So that's one reason why I've put this together. AARON: And say more about that because you've spent decades and decades of your life inviting people into the wilderness.

And what I remember you told me when we had coffee was that you were doing it already and you just said, well, come along, like, come join me and that, but you've spent, I mean hundreds and hundreds of trips like that, right? All over the world, inviting people of all walks of life, all levels of influence, you know, small nun to gigantic to faiths to age to everything. So what are some of the observations that you've had of how wilderness is a disruptive force?

PEB: I think there beats in the heart of a man, and many women, desire for adventure and maybe a desire for risk. Frankly, I think that's why some guys get into, or go off the rails with an affair or something they want.

They want to do something that brings that sense of a thrill or excitement or risk. So I've just assumed that I've taken people on ridiculous trips who had almost no reason to go.

They didn't know anything about it. I took a guy one time to the Seychelles. We were some of the first people that ever went to the Fe Seychelles for saltwater fly fishing. This guy was like six, eight, and we lived on a liveaboard catamaran.

He had never cast a fly and he cut over a hundred bonefish. He still tells me it's one of these great experiences. So I think there's something, it doesn't have to be somebody who's equal in experience to you with somebody. I think I've prayed that the Lord would lead me to people like that and who maybe it was something that they really wanted to do but didn't know how to do it. And I was just a guy who came along and offered them wild possibilities as we say.

So a couple of your buddies, I reached out to you. So the message translation of Amos says, look, who's here? Mountain shaper, wind maker. He laid out the whole plot before Adam. He brings everything out of nothing like Dawn out of darkness. He strides across the Alpine ridges. His name is God, the God of the angel armies. So unpack that for us. PEB: You know, I'd forgotten that message version says angel armies.

The Lord God almighty is his name. She said, I didn't need any encouragement to be out there more than you already are. But I remember when I first started quoting, and I thought, I mean, this verse says so much of it he who forms the mountains, and by the way, this is all present tense. This isn't he who formed or he who reveals you're, it's not past tense, so it's present tense. It's a God who's here now.

He's not just a God of Israel. So that meant a lot to me to know that it's present. He who reveals, he commits to revealing to us if we, if we're open. That meant a lot to me. Of course. I mean, I started quoting in a high Sierra and the the peaks of the high Sierra like my favorites, Mount Whitney mass CIF with with a lot of the other peaks around there.

And I could see, I could sense that the heavenly father was striding the high places, the ridges and it just bolded me.

It gave me a sense of okayness for what I enjoyed doing and where I got so much great satisfaction. Good grief.

There's somehow, it's like the song of your heart echoed in ancient texts about the experience you have. And that helps name and shape.

I find a lot of times that other people don't have language to describe their experience and that, you know, ancient scripture like this just helps people name why is this such a transformational experience for me to be in such an unusual place. PEB: Great point.

That is, I think. But how do you articulate that? I never felt like I was an articulate person, but I love to read great quotes and prose that opens you up. And the Bible's the best at that. And so I think it felt like I was drawn to it to be even more articulate if I could be about my own experience.

And I listened to a podcast that he was on with Krista Tippett on being before he died. One of the things that he said and it was that the scriptures are poetry and song and he said everyone needs more beauty in their life and that there's this. So it was, I loved how he invited it cause it was like, listen, if you approach it as just like a history book of rules or know do's and don'ts, it's not that, it's like, it's actually the human experience, it's the human experience.

And so much of it's actually in song and poetry and touch and, yeah. And like these, how do you describe the unexplainable, indescribable, well, we do our best. PEB: And the point with Eugene was it what helped him express it even more was he was out in it. What I found out from an adventure perspective, I love going to blank spots on the map. I would look and the Brooks range in Alaska or Patagonia or the Indian ocean. I love going there, but most people can't do that.

So I love the idea of portraying for those of us who've done things I like that, that they don't have to do that to get that fix or that understanding or that awe, they can just go outside, you know, go through a park, pause, think, relax, breathe. And so I'm a big fan of just doing something. That's again where I think we're brothers. You're my older brother in that adventure. PEB: Yeah. And so it's, yeah, because I think a lot of books on adventure are written for a person who can do things of radical nature.

And I think in some ways I'm more interested in helping people experience maybe just a modicum of that, just a fraction of that, but yet almost feel the same way I'm made and something more radical. AARON: So the last two weeks I've been, during the work I do with groups, and this week was in Santa Cruz, California and took a group in to the redwoods and it was just an hour, or hour and a half in total. And we sent them out with this workbook that we curated and kind of these reflections.

The workbook topic was kind of on purpose, like on what brings us energy, what brings us alive, what, and concluding we ask these questions in the workbook about if you're finding yourself at your 80th birthday party, who would the friends be that would be in the room?

Who are the people most meaningful to you in your life? And then what speech would you give to those friends to talk about the seminal moments in your life of decision and tradeoffs that you made, that, how did you become the person that you became? So I know you're five years from that, from that birthday, and you just had 2, friends gathered. So I'm sure you gave a speech. So tell us a little bit about your, well, your reflections. And then pointed out my brother and my sister and a few other people like that.

But when I was driving over here, I was thinking about years ago, probably 30 or 40 years ago when I was in California and I spent a lot of time up in Berkeley and the juxtaposition at Berkeley at that time as a free speech movement. And then it was all the, I mean, relatively normal kids, a football team members.

And there was a football player who was very popular who died when he was a senior, I believe it was a senior. And he had his friends come into his room on his last days and just wanted him there and they all wanted to be there. I can, I can bet you that bottom dollar that they all never forgot is one of the seminal moments in their life. So I thought about that. What do you say? I've thought about that now when I can't do what I used to do.

So do you just live in the past? Do you sit in an easy chair and put your memory banks to work and just think about all the past things? I haven't gotten to that point yet, but I thought that a part of life is being, is coming to a conclusive point that it's okay not to do those things anymore.

It's okay just to be there, to be in a presence. A friend of mine who's going through hellacious stuff, a public figure said that in preparation for this, he was reading the Bible as a narrative. He'd read for two and a half hours and what he feels down when he goes into anything that would be where it would it, would freak you out or freeze you up, is he knows who walks with him. And then that's enough. I was thinking to a certain degree, all of this stuff that we do, whether it's adventure, whether you don't even know any kind of adventure that you and I might know that the reality is that they come to the, what I call the sq factor, this satisfaction quotient, that what does bring satisfaction, that feeling of not just achievement, it's not really achievement into faith.

It's a sense of the present. It's a sense of you're being a child of the King. You're blessed to be aware of that and to believe it so deeply that it a, is a part of the air that you breathe. So I think for me to answer your question when I'm 80, there's nothing like having a bunch of friends around and you might not even be talking about powerful, poignant things. Maybe part of it is, Hey, what are you doing now?

What are you thinking? What do you still want to do? What's still on your, on your pad before you've finished the runway? And, and I think about that.

I think that maybe there's a normalcy to the whatever end of life means cause none of us really know when that's gonna happen. But the normalcy is normal. I'm not I don't think you're gonna all of a sudden become more eloquent about life. I think it's the peace that passes understanding.

Then I would be in a position where yeah, hey, I know life is an informed me man. What a ride. I mean thank you. And then, and then make sure that people who are around me understood the gratefulness and I live with, and that they in their own way would live with the same thing.

Probably the one of the most delightful things about, he'll call me from all over the world. He's called me from fancy dinners at the white house. He's called me from embassies around the world. He's just recently called me from the Congo. You just never know and when PEB would pop up and in my life, and it's always a delight. So I've never met a person who looks you right in the eye and makes you feel like you are the most important person in the world.

And so for me PEB taught me to really be present with people and to be inspired by people and to really dig into, to people and find out what makes them tick. And that would be Peb Jackson. AARON: One of the questions that our friends asked is how is it that you make us feel like your best friend and the most important person in the world when we're with you?

PEB: So I'm more aware of people saying that. I haven't felt a need to just really spend too much time on it. I don't want to think too much about myself.

One reason I have talked about some of these things very much is I just don't want to be preoccupied with me. I knew a guy one time who I thought, you know, he spends 24 hours thinking about his image. You know, there's just that, that's narcissism, right? AARON: I think that's some of the beauty of these questions is that your friends and these are guys that are close to you.

Some of it is just the curiosity out of the admiration we have for you as an observation of the humility that you live with and you operate out of. But one of the gifts is to also understand if peeling back a layer a little bit to say, Hey, I don't want to think too much about this and you know, stare into my own mirror. However, on reflection, here's some things that I walk with that enabled me to be the man that I am.

Well I have been able to dissect it a little bit. If you're with somebody who helps you open up, like you're doing here, you'll remember that time and it'll be a sweet memory. So I think that's, for some reason God gave me that curiosity and I think a lot of that is from my father. I mean, it was deeply curious about everything. I'm deeply curious about everything and especially what makes people tick and, and everything.

So that's a part of it. And you know, this, you're good at this and that is, is the ability to ask questions. That curiosity alone, curiosity is only one thing, but, what do you think about in reference to questions?

And I, early on started before I went in to see people. I would think of what questions I wanted to ask him. Sometimes I'd write it down, but I would think about that. I wouldn't wait for the moment. I would be thinking ahead. And I think that's a little thing that I've tried to do over the years, over the decades. And then the other thing, maybe the third thing, there's public 15 things, who knows? But the third thing I would say is that there's no substitute for being a reader, not just curiosity, but being a reader, understand what's going on in the world.

And at least you don't have to just watch television every day, but just being in a year and having an insatiable appetite for words. And my dad was that way, we had books all over the house and everything, and he was, and we'd take holidays to the West. My dad would take college students along the Lewis and Clark expedition and camp out and read from the Journals.

I mean, can you imagine that? To the original journals of Lewis and Clark come on in the place where they were written. PEB: Right. And students who didn't even like history said it became their favorite subject because it still is alive right now.

So my dad had that ability and to put perspective on it, I have an incurable positivity about life. I think God gave me that gift early on.

Just even I guess I'm watching you is, even as you're talking, you're mining it, you're in it. It's really a gift. I feel like I can be here on behalf of us, your friends, others and have a conversation that will be really meaningful, hopefully both to you, to me and our friends that we get to share it with.

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